Stanley Meyer's super electrolyser

As an Engineer, I don't think I need to explain how I feel about a car running on, and emitting water. After a heated discussion with a gentleman who was close friends with Stanley Meyer before died, I managed to get a copy of this document which outlines Mr. Meyer's technology.

To me this is an amazing resource, even though I believe the whole concept hinges on a false interpretation of thermodynamic laws.

I've asked Bottleweb to host this document: Hydrogen - Meyer - D14.pdf

Jason is Smarter than the rest

You're doing great work here jason. I think you should continue to proceed the way you started out. Don't look for a phenonama but science at work.

Free energy or Free to my pocket

As a user of 2 HFE Cells on my vehicles, I can positively say they work! My 99 Rav4 went from 24 -30 mpg on the highway, and the 99 subaru went from 20-27 mpg.
Both draw 15-20a and are dry cell units.
Everyone, including myself tries to increase the efficiency of the units, there are 2 accepted ways to calculate them, but they amount to the same thing, if you get above 60% your doing good, some claim in the 80%. I had one test that showed 82%, but couldn't duplicate it, so I consider it a fluke or mis measurement.
Some things that make these units start to make sense is that Hydrogen produces about 3x the power of gasoline, so for every liter of the gas I put in, thats 3 Liters less of vaporized gas I need to use.
Also the oil companies use hydrogen to break down the oil faster and into lighter components, Just maybe, somehow during the compression stroke the gasoline components are being broke down? into lighter fuels? That would explain the approximate 9:1 ratio that seems to be happening, If my calculations are correct, with the Rav and Subaru, for every liter of gas I produce and use, I'm eliminating 9 Liters of vaporized gas. Compared to the energy input, to gas output, no there is no gain thats breaking all the laws. BUT, if there are further reactions in the intake and cylinder, then it looks like somehow it is, the net gain is in the plus 100%.
Anyone can calculate the energy needed by the engine, the gas used, calculate the added hydrogen and Oxygen as fuel with the less gasoline needed, and try to explain how the energy needed is higher than the energy now supplied?

Water as/is/contains


Water as/is/contains energy:

Kelvin Water Dropper
Texas Tech - Pulsed Power Lab Research
ASU - Alternative Energy Research , Roy McAlister (please *note* his research is biased, he owns several corp that deal with hydrogen energy)

SHEEP- WAKE UP! The POWER/FUEL IS THERE, it has been researched to death for over a hundred years.
Just use it already. Just build a system after researching various patents and documents online. I HAVE.

On H2O systems-
SIMPLE:
Water contains both elements necessary for combustion, Hydrogen and Oxygen

Find an efficient means to separate the 2 elements that does not consume a boat load of energy
and WOW fuel from water ...

You're an engineer, right? So figure out how to separate them without putting more energy into the system.

I've actually had great success with potentials in excess of 1.6kV - 3.2kV at less than 750mA being consumed
by the system. It does produce pressures in excess of 15psi in less than 1 minute in certain size water columns.
MOST ICE vehicles are capable of "idle" at pressures of 5 psi.
Acceleration is possible with the additional pressures of 15 psi. WOW, FUEL ON DEMAND!

Here's a down and dirty experiment you can try for under $40.00 US:
http://hfecell.info/hfebb/index.php?topic=15.0

High Voltage Low Current experiment:

12v DC Battery
35A 600V bridge recitfier, from experiment above
MX051 FLUORESCENT LAMP DRIVER 12V 10-40W (available here: http://www.aseanexport.com/Division/TechnologyKit/hotsales.php)

It works! Period, no if ands or butts! Every single auto mfg has a Hydrogen vehicle developed. They don't want them out, just as EV's have
been held back. They WANT YOUR MONEY, it's that simple. If you use Hydrogen to fuel your vehicle, IT REDUCES ENGINE TEMPERATURES.
This too has been researched to death, with many theories as to why. If your vehicles operating temperature is reduced, you reduce wear and tear
on mechanical components. Which increases the life span of the vehicle. WHICH REDUCES TO NUMBER OF VEHICLES SOLD DUE TO COSTLY REPAIRS.
PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE = MORE MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS FROM YOURS. ICE vehicles already run on LPG/NG/Hydrogen, conversions
are simple, again researched to death.

I for one got into this when I was looking for a solution to a problem with range associated with an EV project, as I did not want to use gasoline
in a generator setup to increase range. And solar just didn't provide enough juice to sustain the system. So I am configuring the system to
use solar energy - battery - hydrogen system. Using the Hydrogen/Oxygen gas to run a small generator.
Consumption of solar/battery energy is less than 10A @ 12VDC = 120 WATTS. Great thing about this setup is that it is setup as an ON DEMAND
system, using various disciplines. YES, there are losses to HEAT in this system. This is still an evolving project. But hey, I don't PAY for FUEL!
(FREE $$$ to me ENERGY) !

J.A.F.O - JUST ANOTHER F**KING OBSERVER

Quote:SHEEP- WAKE UP! The

Quote:
SHEEP- WAKE UP! The POWER/FUEL IS THERE, it has been researched to death for over a hundred years.
Just use it already. Just build a system after researching various patents and documents online. I HAVE.

This simply isn't true. No patent office will accept a car running on water as its primary fuel, because this technology violates the first law of thermodynamics. There is no peer reviewed paper that supports a car running on water as its primary fuel.

It is possible to use water as a sort of battery; we can use electricity (which is difficult to store efficiently over long periods of time) to split water into Hydrogen and oxygen, and then recombine it (i.e. burn it) at a later time to recover the energy. This is a positive entropy process (like more or less every process) meaning that we will end up with less energy than we put in.

If you disagree with this, and if you want your opinion to be taken seriously by the scientific community, you would need to dispute the validity of the laws of thermodynamics, which is more or less impossible. Firstly because over a hundred years of scientific research have, over and over again, validated these laws, and secondly because - even if these laws were flawed - it's unlikely that we have the technology to do provide an example, because pretty much every electro-chemical process we could think of has been tested to death and shown to support the laws of thermodynamics.

The reason Meyer is not taken seriously is because he claims to use processes that are already known - and well documented - to agree and support the thermodynamic laws. To claim that it is possible to violate those laws with these particular processes is - regardless of the dubious nature of his research - simply illogical. I discussed this here if you're interested: http://bottleweb.org/jason/water-car-hoax

Hey Jason, Got some simple


Hey Jason,

Got some simple research for you:

What are the burn velocities of the following:
Hydrogen
Methane
Alcohol
Gasoline
Natural Gas
Propane
Diesel

Now, ponder this:
What fuel is most commonly used in civilian owned land based vehicles?

Now, this:
How do I reduce the burn velocity of hydrogen to equal the average burn velocity of carbon based fuels?

Now,
How do I apply this to transportation? Electricity generation, for homes/industrial?

J.A.F.O.
p.s.
and while you are pondering the answers to these questions, they are robbing you of money that you worked hard for. Just for transportation and electricity in your day to day living.
Could things be better in your life with a few extra bucks/euros/money .... ? Who could you help? What break-thru in science, with the extra money? How could you help humanity
further?

Why would you want to reduce

Why would you want to reduce the burn velocity of hydrogen? I don't quite understand your question. Hydrogen is basically the most efficiently (ie. hottest) burning gas we know of. But it's not a source of energy, this is an important difference between petrol and hydrogen. Petrol can be extracted and used as a fuel, hydrogen can only be made with an input of energy, it's essentially a battery, we still need a source of energy to get the hydrogen.

Hey Jason, I don't think I


Hey Jason,

I don't think I got my point across very well, sorry. I was referring to using water, broken down into it's components (Hydrogen/oxygen), to run a vehicle. I've have read numerous papers
concerning the energy that the water molecule contains. And also it's magnetic fields and how they are affected by changes of pressure, light, magnetic fields and applied energy, ie RF,
pulsed, direct, solar and on and on.

It's energy is there, how we get it is another issue.

J.A.F.O - JUST ANOTHER F**KING OBSERVER

Water is a chemically

Water is a chemically high-entropy substance, meaning that (and I am only speaking chemically here) it is not possible to extract energy from it using a chemical reaction. I've done my best to explain this phenomena here: http://www.bottleweb.org/jason/water-car-hoax

Water does however contain hydrogen. Hydrogen, under sufficient pressure and high enough temperature, will fuse into helium creating in a violent exothermal reaction (ie. producing vast amounts of energy) called nuclear fusion. This means that water itself is actually an extremely potent substance in terms of how much "energy" we can extract from it. The problem, basically, is that we have no way of safely creating a fusion reaction. Also, stanley meyer's super electrolysis device didn't produce helium (the product of hydrogen fusion), nor was there ever a claim that Meyer was fusing hydrogen.

Jason

water & energy

Stan had develop a very efficient device that tremendously improved electrolysis. The key that most often is overlooked is the self sustained discharge. What happens during this process as water molecules are suppurated they will release electrons that are shared while they are in natural state (water). A capacitor of this type in water as a medium will continue to double voltage and improve the efficiency until all of the water in the cell (tube) is converted to a gas and this will recur at a very rapid state continually (self sustained) until its source of fuel is exhausted or until the devise is shorted or shut down. You might ask how the electrons help. Well if you haven't figured this out yet (I could leave you here) maybe I should, I think I will. But I will leave you with a hint. Electrons like what place more then mater?

Bob

I don't mean to be rude but I

I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you really understand the nature of chemical bonds. They are energy troughs, meaning that they require energy to be broken. In the case of water, no energy is released when water is split, meaning a net input of energy is required to break the bonds.

Hey Jason, I just wanted to


Hey Jason,

I just wanted to add this:
I personally think the term "free energy" is grossly misinterpreted by the scientific community as well as others to mean that it is creating something from nothing, as all energy comes from somewhere. Although there are some that claim this something from nothing free energy, personally I do not believe it to be true, the world/nature doesn't work that way. Even in my daily living, work and play, I have to put effort in to get results. I teach my 5 kids the same as well, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

Personally I think of the term as in money out of my pocket. Example, I don't pay for the energy from the sun while using solar, it's free energy.

Thank you for your polite insight and for sharing your knowledge with me. I will keep checking back. Again thank you.

J.A.F.O - JUST ANOTHER F**KING OBSERVER

DING ... my light bulb is


DING ... my light bulb is on. Thanks Jason.

No Problem :) It's always

No Problem :) It's always nice to have a productive discussion about these things. All the best, Jason

Jason, Here, just for


Jason,
Here, just for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFGPq-I3J4Q

J.A.F.O.

>It works! Period, no if ands

>It works! Period, no if ands or butts! Every single auto mfg has a Hydrogen vehicle developed.
>They don't want them out, just as EV's have been held back.

They probably have, but it works different as the meyers technique. These cars run with hydrogen tanks which are under high pressure, they need to be fueled with hydrogen and do not create it on demand.

And the "REASON" behind


And the "REASON" behind using these tanks under high pressure? They are trying to preserve the "status-quo" of taking your money. A hydrogen economy will only serve to keep the money flowing to their pockets. The HIGH PRESSURES are NOT required to run a vehicle.

Keeping things SIMPLE:
Just check out your gasoline fuel pump, most only create low pressures, the high pressures are created on the backend via restrictions in pipe sizes and injectors. Just take apart an old carb, the injector needle has a very small hole.

Your vehicle will run on hydrogen, with a few simple mods. A friend/relative that is the goto automotive guru can easily get it done. For the costs under $500 and possibly a six pack of their favorite beverage!

J.A.F.O - JUST ANOTHER F**KING OBSERVER

the reason for the high pressure

Hi JAFO,
You've raised a lot of interesting issues here, let me start with your comment about pressure. Firstly, it is not particularly dangerous to store hydrogen at high pressure. We can surround it with enough metal, so that the force required to rupture the tank would kill the passengers anyway. This reason is also used in the construction of magnesium dashboards and engine components - by the time the cabin gets hot enough to burn the magnesium, the passengers would have died anyway, so there is no safety concern.

The problem with highly pressurised hydrogen is that we often need relatively thick tanks, which are heavy and thus consume large amounts of energy during transport. Lastly, why do we need to pressurise the hydrogen? Well you don't have to, problem is that if you don't pressurise it, it will take up a lot of space. It's unreasonable to fill a tank with gassified hydrogen because its density is so low, so we pressurise it until it liquifies (pressures in the MPa magnitude, well above 10 atmospheres). This is similar to what we already do with LPG cars, although higher pressures are required for hydrogen.
Jason

Thank you Jason for the


Thank you Jason for the simple answers. It helps we non-science guys.

Some additional info is that pressurized hydrogen does boil, this raises additional concerns and adds to the engineering costs to produce systems that will function in a moving vehicle.
I agree with your added weight comment, it just isn't very efficient to carry tanks. This is why "on demand" is the only way to go with these conversions.

J.A.F.O - JUST ANOTHER F**KING OBSERVER

water fuel

I have recently added one of the supplimental water as fuel devices to my Van big Gm V8 The mileage gain so far is about 10% and I have been keeping track of the mileage since I bought the van 3 years ago It is not fully hooked up right yet but as I drive about 2000 kms a week this is signifigant

interesting

Can you elaborate a bit on what this device does? How does the device draw power? Is it connected to your car battery or does it need to be charged seperately? I'm very interested in this because I've never spoken with anyone who has actually added these kits myself so please share more info.

Jason

It is a device that hooks up

It is a device that hooks up to the car battery i got mine from eagle resourses but there are many plans on the web You also need an electronic unit to fool the O2 sensors into sending less fuel to the injection system i found it harder to put together than they say and there are ones that use a coil system and I think they might be easier to make and install Ray

cool

I haven't heard of this company. Can you upload some pictures or send me a link? I think this is the sort of thing people should be talking about more on the internet, I see so much speculation and heresay, it's really refreshing to hear about an actual experience. If you have the spare time you could set up an account here and upload some pictures and write a blog page about it, I'm sure there'd be a lot of people who would be interested in something like that.

Jason

Stanley Meyer's super electrolyser

I have spent a lot of time searching through these supposed 'miracle technologies'. The Stanley Meyer water car doesn't work. It's just an electrical pulse connected to water, which creates hydrogen. The burning of this hydrogen creates heat which can be converted - at a loss - to electrical energy again.

This is a process documented by over 100 years of experimentation and scientific inquiry. Stanley meyer had a limited understanding of electrolysis, and simply doesn't work.

Quote:
The reality is that the water engine works and derespects the laws of the energy conservation.

No it's not. The device has never been shown to work, despite the fact that the instructions to make it are extremely simple. If it did work it would allow us to create infinite and free energy. It's a pipe dream.

Stanley Meyer's super electrolyser

That is true.
Pressurised Hydrogen is dangerous gás.
But gas and diesel are dangerous too.
Stanley Meyer make a engine runs with water, and you can see the engine produces more energy of what it spends to make electrolyse to produce fuel to engine work.
Denying laws of energy conservation.
But the reality laws of energy conservation can be wrong.
The reality is that the water engine works and derespects the laws of the energy conservation.
It´s not the first time the cience are wrong.

Stanley Meyer's super electrolyser

Pressurised Hydrogen is an extremely dangerous gas, and since this invention contradicts the laws of energy conservation it is not a valid technology anyway.

We have agreed to host this file as a reference for anyone who is interested. We do not endorse this technology and certainly don't recommend for anyone to try making this at home.

Hoax

I First started researching Stans work at the start of February in 2006. I Contributed to online public forums as well as private ones for sometime now. Just recently i stopped publishing as much due to the lack of common sense, and respect many people in this technology doesn't have. If people continue to think the way they do then this world as you know is doomed.

I am the creator of ionizationX.com and the First Public researcher of Stans alternator since dave lawton. When i first started out in this technology it had nothing to do with stan. Then i found him, it was not my intentions to prove stans devices to be a hoax, it was my intentions to prove them to work. As i have worked with several groups and several people very skilled into the workings of electronics i have finely found my resting place, i have found where i belong in this technology, and followed i am not.

He may be called a hoax now, And yes what he provided to the public eye may very well be a hoax. But in the end when great knowledge steps forth, all will be understood and what stan did will be greatly respected as well as appreciated.

When this time comes, you will then see how smart stan really was, and the ones that lack common sense will be covered with embarrassment. The ones that Claims a hoax will learn that a different angle is always possible. The ones Full of Greed will cause this technology to come forth! Therefor this world will then be adjusted and maybe then there will be no more lacking of common sense. You can be very smart and lack common sense, you can also be very stupid and have great common sense, and then again, DeGreed may choose to keep this technology very well hidden! And last but not least, we could loose our leaders.

Water For Fuel is a very important thing in this world, i can not say it would be the best way to go about things. I would much rather see Happy people making happy dollars paying happy bills, "the way it was 15 years ago" The best option would be for High power to go ahead and put this technology on the market and control it as it is comming faster than you know.

Hello, thanks for your

Hello, thanks for your response. So far I've received mostly negative responses to my article, which is a little dissapointing so it was nice to see a level headed response such as yours. Could you be more specific about your research? What specifically have you researched and what makes you think that it works?

The main reason for my skepticism is mainly that the technology (as it has been explained to me) simply doesn't make a lot of sense, and I have seen no reason why Stanley Meyers "Super Electrolysis" technology is any different to normal electrolysis.

Truth

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Compressing any gas raises the temperature in the cylinder chamber on the Power stroke, Normally the gas used is Ambient Air. Air is drawn into the cylinders and is compressed by the pistons at compression ratios as high as 25:1. Near the end of the compression stroke, diesel fuel is injected into the combustion chamber through an injector, but not just any injector, but a special one! The fuel ignites from contact with the air that, due to compression, has been heated to a temperature of about 700 – 900 °C (1300 – 1650 °F). The resulting combustion causes increased heat and expansion in the cylinder, which increases pressure and moves the piston downward. You can think of an diesel engine as a "Liquid To Gas Converter." the fuel ignites upon being injected into the highly compressed air in the combustion chamber.

The Speed at which you move down the road is controlled by the amount of liquid fuel injected, unlike controlling the amount of air ratio in the auto engine, To go faster you simply inject more fuel.

In older diesel engines, a distributor-type injection pump, regulated by the engine, supplies bursts of fuel to injectors which are simply nozzles through which the diesel is sprayed into the engine's combustion chamber.In common rail systems, the distributor injection pump is eliminated. Instead, a high-pressure pump pressurises fuel at up to 2,000 bar (200 MPa, 29,000 psi)[3], in a "common rail". The common rail is a tube that branches off to computer-controlled injector valves, each of which contains a precision-machined nozzle and a plunger driven by a solenoid or piezoelectric actuators. (For example, Mercedes uses piezoelectric actuators in their high power output 3.0L V6 common rail diesel).

Most large marine diesels (often called cathedral engines due to their size) run on heavy fuel oil (sometimes called "bunker oil"), which is a thick, viscous and almost un-flammable fuel which is very safe to store and cheap to buy in bulk as it is a waste product from the petroleum refining industry. The fuel must be heated to thin it out (often by the exhaust header) and is often passed through multiple injection stages to vaporize it.

Diesel fuel is a form of light fuel oil, very similar to kerosene, but diesel engines, especially older or simple designs that lack precision electronic injection systems, can run on a wide variety of other fuels. One of the most common alternatives is vegetable oil from a very wide variety of plants. Some engines can be run on vegetable oil without modification, and most others require fairly basic alterations. Biodiesel is a pure diesel-like fuel refined from vegetable oil and can be used in nearly all diesel engines. The only limits on the fuels used in diesel engines are the ability of the fuel to flow along the fuel lines and the ability of the fuel to lubricate the injector pump and injectors adequately. A related historical note: at the request of the French Government the Otto company demonstrated a Diesel engine at the 1900 Exposition Universelle (World's Fair) which used peanut oil (see biodiesel). The French government were at the time exploring the possibility of using peanut oil as a locally produced fuel in their African colonies. Diesel himself later tested extensively the use of plant oils in his engine and began to actively promote the use of these fuels.

Petrol/gasoline engines are limited in the variety and quality of the fuels they can burn. Older petrol engines fitted with a carburetor required a volatile fuel that would vaporize easily to create the necessary fuel/air mix for combustion. Because both air and fuel are admitted to the cylinder, if the compression ratio of the engine is too high or the fuel too volatile (with too low an octane rating), the fuel will ignite under compression, as in a diesel engine, before the piston reaches the top of its stroke. This pre-ignition causes a power loss and over time major damage to the piston and cylinder. The need for a fuel that is volatile enough to vaporize but not too volatile (to avoid pre-ignition) means that petrol engines will only run on a narrow range of fuels. There has been some success at dual-fuel engines that use gasoline/Ethanol, gasoline/Propane, and gasoline/Methane.

In diesel engines, a mechanical injector system vaporizes the fuel (instead of a Venturi jet in a carburetor as in a petrol engine). This forced vaporisation means that less volatile fuels can be used.

In diesel engines, a mechanical injector system vaporizes the fuel (instead of a Venturi jet in a carburetor as in a petrol engine). This forced vaporisation means that less volatile fuels can be used.More crucially, because only air is inducted into the cylinder in a diesel engine, the compression ratio can be much higher as there is no risk of pre-ignition provided the injection process is accurately timed. This means that cylinder temperatures are much higher in a diesel engine than a petrol engine allowing less combustible fuels to be used.

Meyer, diesel injecter, watertank, Laser distributor for control of high pressure injectors, water fuel heaters etc.

Thrown this post together just for you as i did not write any of it from my own knowledge. accept for that 1 sentence you just read. If you would like to learn more about engines Please referre to http://www.answers.com/topic/diesel-engine as they have anything you would ever want to know about

running a car on water.

I would not have pointed this out nor spoke about it but i know that the public will deny its workings, therfor this knowledge is considered a hoax and will not harm anyone because many lacks the tools and ability to make it work!

The facts are, when you mix Heat, + compression, + liquid, , you get a liquid to gas expansion conversion. You get this on demand. It does not look like stan was running his car on hydroxy, it looks as if the water fuel cell was a coverup that put a blanket on the Real Technology. However there is some files and photos floating around the internet, for some reasone people dont want you to see them. Thats crazy that your not seeing them! Crazy Crazy Crazy.

The text above does not relate to me, i have not tested it. I dont even know how the above text got where it is, i didn't write it! What you read is facts about engines, as well as in the proccess of doing so you learned how to convert a liquid to a gas right there on the spot. This is your super electrolysizer your looking for that seems so complicated in the patents jason. Throw the patents, and stans documents into a camp fire, He did not use anything in them.

That's why I have such a

That's why I have such a problem with it, the only available documentation simply makes no sense. Many people claim that there was "something else" but there's never any actual evidence behind it, it's just heresay and rumours. It's the same with UFOs and the yeti man. Is it real? Well, maybe, who knows. Is it worth having serious scientific discourse about? Probably not...

electrolizer

There are many misconceptions on how it works First there is no heat you can leave it on all day which I do and it still is cold It uses a catalyst to create a chemical reaction (Mine uses lye some baking soda) bubbles instantanious when i flip the switch i have had my van 3 years about 300000 kms reset trip meter when I fuel Friday was the first time I ever got 700 Kms to a tank usually 630 to 650 and it is not fully hooked up yet web site eagle-research.com He sells a welder that you can put your hand over but will weld virtually anything How it works ask George

Hello, I welcome the fact

Hello,

I welcome the fact that people with "proper" scientific training look into this. But I really think one has to have an open mind. Now "flaming" one who has a different opinion does not help. I respect your viewpoint but perhaps you should try to perform some experiments yourself. We cannot get to the bottom of the problem by theoretical discussion only.

I have experimented with various setups such as the Bedini Motor and used the high voltage output pulses to run an electrolysis cell. The Stan Meyer process differs from normal electrolysis because the cell puts out copious amounts of gas but stays cold. It also does so without catalysts of any kind in the water. British scientist Dave Lawton even used distilled water which should not work at all. I think we can consider this proven.It has been replicated many times. Just look on the forums. Now this alone will not be sufficient to run a car but that does not mean it is not worth looking into.

My own experiments with lead acid batteries and the high voltage pulse charge show that one can overcharge the battery to 15-17 volts. It will produce large amounts of gas AND STAY COLD. Any battery overcharged to this point with a normal charger will turn into a heater and probably blow up on you. so what's going on?
scientific curiosity should look at the unusual results people are getting with this process- there is something about the water molecule we do not know yet. The water molecule is the base for all life forms on Earth. It might well have properties we have not found yet.
Just look at the John Kanzius process for splitting sea or salt water using a defined microwave frequency. THAT has been replicated and is a proven thing.
There can be two possible sources of energy in the Meyer splitting process: One- he used a strange RESONANT transformer system very similar to many of the other "overunity" setups we are discussing in the international forums right now. So it might be in his power setup used to drive the cell. TWO: the water in itself might be the power source. I think it might be a combination of the two things. Once you bring things in resonance they start to "ring" and stange things beginn to happen. This also is a proven concept. And it seems to be hard to grasp because you need evolved mathematical concepts. For the practical experimenter this means that many of these circuits are probably easy to make but VERY DIFFICULT TO TUNE. Thats why so many attempts fail. The electronic setups also de- tune easily and fall out of resonance. Even a simple resonant circuit can be an nightmare of tuning. Just ask any ham radio operator.

If all things I have personally seen in my experiments and read about in various forums are taken together, I think there is need for serious, non-prejudiced schíentific study of this process. Perhaps discussions such as these might get things going in a positive way

Albert

Let me make another remark in

Let me make another remark in addition to what I posted before:

Some of the effects apparently discovered by Stan Meyer and other experimenters like Puharich before him seem to indicate that he found a new process for splitting water. We should probably not address this as electrolysis anymore.
It looks to me much more like "laser pumping". In laser technology, you pump energy into a gas or a crystal which is then released in form of a sharp coherent light beam. the history of invention of the laser shows that this came as unexpected as possible. Technicians working on microwave amplifiers (masers) found that their process WHICH INVOLVES RESONANCE also could be extended to light waves.
the Meyer process could be similar to the laser- it pumps energy into the water molecules. Instead of emitting visible light radiation the water splits into its components. Many researchers have reported visible light effects in their water cells.
There also have been reports of anomalous explosions in water fog. This has been discovered by people who cleaned tanks of large ships with high energy water jets. If static electricity hit these water droplets under certain circumstances,a huge hydrogen explosion occurred. There even is a paper on that somewhere on the Internet.
Meyers last and most advanced system did not involve a water fuel cell but directly injected a fine water mist that was charged to a high potential into the cylinders of his motors. This produced a flammable gas.
High voltage pulses-sharp transients- are involved in many of the so called overunity processes we seem to consider these days. There still is more to electricity than we know. I have personally witnessed many times the demonstration of LONGITUDINAL pulses- they are not like the transverse electrical pulses we use mostly. They can easily tunnel through a massive faraday cage, where every other kind of RF transmission fails. Tesla knew about this and used these pulses in many of his inventions. his so called "radiant energy" is being researched with great intensity by many experimenters today. If applied to a Stan Meyer type cell, this has effects that are different from normal electricity. It seems that one can get the water molecule to split into its components by using POTENTIAL and almost no current. Just the same as in a Bedini setup where you have almost current-free short sharp pulses charging lead acid batteries. I have done this many times....
So think about it, use your scientific expertise but keep your mind open!

Stan Meyer

The potencial for current and not accual current is part of what makes Stans devise work. The other is...... not to be released at this time.

"Can you elaborate a bit on

"Can you elaborate a bit on what this device does? How does the device draw power? Is it connected to your car battery or does it need to be charged seperately? I'm very interested in this because I've never spoken with anyone who has actually added these kits myself so please share more info."

The devices that are supplementing petrol are a little like water injection to engines in the past. Engines such as in the planes in World War two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

I think however that the injection may not be very good for engine life?

VW dune buggy engines are

VW dune buggy engines are also low compression air cooled engines.

As for the supplementary fuel engines the gas may assist and provide the extra octane. How it effects the longevity of the engine may have net benefits over the life vs cost?

Have a look at this also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence